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Old 02-23-2008, 08:06 AM   #1
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How long do student loans stick around?

Okay - I have two student loan listings on all 3 of my reports (Experian is below). I am fairly confident the top listing is some kind of Collection account (though it is always listed with the installments on my reports) and the bottom is the loan itself. I've disputed both - the top has come back verified on all three reports; and the bottom is still in its dispute status on TU and EX where I check reguarly.

My main question - how long will these stick around? My loan was opened in Sept 1998.. never paid on until after the collection status in Oct. 2002 (actually wan't until late 03 I started paying).. and were paid off in February 2005. TU says one falls in Aug. 2009 and the other in Nov. 2009 - shouldn't they fall off together?? If this may help, I stopped going to school in Jan. 2001 and stopped using the loan itself in May 2000.

Also - from your experiance, how much will my score drop when these do fall off? My next line of credit isn't until Sept 2001, but it is a much better status paid car loan. Is there a chance it could actually rise since I'll be losing "two" negative accounts and replacing with one positive?


U S DEPT OF ED/FISL/SF

Address:
PO BOX 4222
IOWA CITY, IA 52244
No phone number available Account Number:
Original Creditor:
US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

Status:
Paid,Closed/Collection account.

Date Opened:
10/1998
Type:
Installment
Credit Limit:
$2,358

Date of Status:
02/2005 Terms:
36 Months High Balance:
NA

Reported Since:
02/2005 Monthly Payment:
$0 Recent Balance:
NA

Last Reported Date:
02/2005 Responsibility:
Individual Recent Payment:
NA


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US DEPT OF EDUCATION

Address:
501 BLEECKER ST
UTICA, NY 13501
No phone number available Account Number:
Status:
Collection account.

Date Opened:
10/1998
Type:
Installment
Credit Limit:
$3,602

Date of Status:
10/2002 Terms:
63 Months High Balance:
NA

Reported Since:
10/2002 Monthly Payment:
$0 Recent Balance:
$0

Last Reported Date:
10/2002 Responsibility:
Individual Recent Payment:
$0
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It lloks like they are probably using the 10/2002 date as the start of the 7 year period. That would put the fall off date at 10/2009. You need the actual default date to be certain, or follow the rules below for most school loans except Perkins Loans.

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(f) Duration of authority

Notwithstanding paragraphs (4) and (6) [1] of subsection (a) of section 605 of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681c(a)(4), (a)(6)), a consumer reporting agency may make a report containing information received from the Secretary or a guaranty agency, eligible lender, or subsequent holder regarding the status of a borrower's defaulted account on a loan guaranteed under this part until -

(1) 7 years from the date on which the Secretary or the agency paid a claim to the holder on the guaranty;


(2) 7 years from the date the Secretary, guaranty agency, eligible lender, or subsequent holder first reported the account to the consumer reporting agency; or

(3) in the case of a borrower who reenters repayment after defaulting on a loan and subsequently goes into default on such loan, 7 years from the date the loan entered default such subsequent time

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Thanks - and those rules are pretty much what I had in mind as the "common sense" of the situation.

How can they just arbitrarily pick a date more than 2 years from when I last used the loan - consider I never made any sort of payment on it previous to that time?

What should I do here, call and/or write these people one of the 5 different addresses I have (EX-2; EQ-2; TU-1) in my reports asking for something similar to 'validation' and then possibly use that information as proof of being past the 7-year reporting mark?
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More information is needed to adequately answer the question...among other things, how much of a deferral period did you have after leaving school? Were there any other deferrals or forebearances granted on the account?

Both issues are critical to an assessment of when the first delinquency actually occurred. The first delinquency would also have been significant to the DoE having turned to their insurance for payment, with the account becoming a collection account at that time.
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This information really helps. I have something I think I need to dispute.
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the government isn't doing anything about the jobs

Has anyone every wondered why the government isn't doing anything about the jobs being outsourced? And if former college students are having problems with paying back their loans, why can't the government do anything about these jobs so that these former college students would be able to pay the federal students loan back? So my argument is that if they need this money back to them, why can't they do anything about these jobs?
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Has anyone every wondered why the government isn't doing anything about the jobs being outsourced? And if former college students are having problems with paying back their loans, why can't the government do anything about these jobs so that these former college students would be able to pay the federal students loan back? So my argument is that if they need this money back to them, why can't they do anything about these jobs?
Ten Myths about Jobs and Outsourcing

Ten Myths about Jobs and Outsourcing
by Tim Kane, Brett D. Schaefer, and Alison Acosta Fraser
WebMemo #467

The American economy never rests—at this moment, in fact, economic growth is vigorous. Yet every time there is a slight dip in the acceleration of output, jobs, or incomes, the undying myths of a sputtering, backfiring economy rise again. Today, many of those myths concern the ills of outsourcing.



The plain facts, however, lay all of today’s myths about outsourcing to rest. But there is still a real danger that politicians working with incomplete or incorrect information will hobble American competitiveness. Scapegoating poor Third World countries, “Benedict Arnold CEOs,” and free trade will not improve the U.S. economy or labor market, but would likely cause great harm. Robert McTeer of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas summed up the promise of government action on outsourcing well: “If we are lucky, we can get through the year without doing something really, really stupid.”[1]



Myth #1: America is losing jobs.

Fact: More Americans are employed than ever before.

The household employment survey of Americans indicates that there are 1.9 million more Americans employed since the recession ended in November 2001. There are 138.3 million workers in the U.S. economy today—more than ever before.[2]



Myth #2: The low unemployment rate excludes many discouraged workers.

Fact: Unemployment is dropping, despite a surging labor force.

Not only is the unemployment rate low in historical terms at 5.6 percent, but the workforce has been growing—there are now 2.03 million more people in the labor force than in late 2001. Without a higher rate of unemployment or a shrinking workforce, there is no evidence of growing discouragement.[3]



Myth #3: Outsourcing will cause a net loss of 3.3 million jobs.

Fact: Outsourcing has little net impact, and represents less than 1 percent of gross job turnover.

Over the past decade, America has lost an average of 7.71 million jobs every quarter.[4] The most alarmist prediction of jobs lost to outsourcing, by Forrester Research, estimates that 3.3 million service jobs will be outsourced between 2000 and 2015—an average of 55,000 jobs outsourced per quarter, or only 0.71 percent of all jobs lost per quarter.



Myth #4: Free trade, free labor, and free capital harm the U.S. economy.

Fact: Economic freedom is necessary for economic growth, new jobs, and higher living standards.

A study conducted for the 2004 Index of Economic Freedom confirms a strong, positive relationship between economic freedom and per capita GDP. Countries that adopt policies antithetical to economic freedom, including trying to protect jobs of a few from outsourcing, tend to retard economic growth, which leads to fewer jobs.



Myth #5: A job outsourced is a job lost.

Fact: Outsourcing means efficiency.

Outsourcing is a means of getting more final output with lower cost inputs, which leads to lower prices for all U.S. firms and families. Lower prices lead directly to higher standards of living and more jobs in a growing economy.



Myth #6: Outsourcing is a one-way street.

Fact: Outsourcing works both ways.

The number of jobs coming from other countries to the U.S. (jobs “insourced”) is growing at a faster rate than jobs lost overseas. According to the Organization for International Investment, the numbers of manufacturing jobs insourced to the United States grew by 82 percent, while the number outsourced overseas grew by only 23 percent.[5] Moreover, these insourced jobs are often higher-paying than those outsourced.[6]



Myth #7: American manufacturing jobs are moving to poor nations, especially China.

Fact: Nations are losing manufacturing jobs worldwide, even China.

America is not alone in experiencing declines in manufacturing jobs. U.S. manufacturing employment declined 11 percent between 1995 and 2002, which is identical to the average world decline.[7] China has seen a sharper decline, losing 15 percent of its industrial jobs over the same period.



Myth #8: Only greedy corporations benefit from outsourcing.

Fact: Everyone benefits from outsourcing.

Outsourcing is about efficiency. As costs decline, every consumer benefits, including those who lose their jobs to outsourcing. A 2003 study by Michael W. Klein, Scott Schuh, and Robert K. Triest, which includes dislocation costs in its calculations, shows the benefits of trade outweighing its costs by 100 percent.[8]



Myth #9: The government can protect American workers from outsourcing.

Fact: Protectionism is isolationism and has a history of failure.

Proposals to punish businesses that outsource jobs, institute tariffs, or change tax rules will carry unintended consequences if enacted. Such measures would injure U.S. firms that export goods and services and erode U.S. competitiveness, often in unexpected ways. Recent steel tariffs, for example, cost jobs in dozens of industries while raising prices for consumers.[9]



Myth #10: Unemployment benefits should be extended beyond 26 weeks.

Fact: Jobless benefits are already working

The median duration of unemployment is now 10.9 weeks; most workers are covered by existing benefits, which last for 26 weeks. Extending today’s coverage to 39 weeks would cost billions of dollars and have little impact.



Conclusion

America's workers deserve a more informative, less partisan debate on outsourcing. The negative impact of outsourcing on the economy and American employment has been greatly exaggerated, and the benefits of outsourcing almost entirely ignored.



Tim Kane, Ph.D., is Research Fellow in Macroeconomics in the Center for Data Analysis, Brett Schaefer is Jay Kingham Fellow in the Center for International Trade and Economics (CITE), and Alison Acosta Fraser is Director of the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, at The Heritage Foundation.

[1] As quoted in Daniel Drezner, “The Outsourcing Bogeyman,” Foreign Affairs, May/June 2004. http://foreignaffairs.org/20040501faessay83301-
/daniel-w-drezner/the-outsourcing-bogeyman.html.

[2] Bureau of Labor Statistics, smoothed Household Survey. The 4-month moving average of CPS employment totals reached a peak in February 2004, the latest data available.

[3] Bureau of Labor Statistics, smoothed Household Survey.

[4] Labor Department, BED data series, 1992 to 2003.

[5] Organization for International Investment (OFII)website at Index of /insourcing.

[6] Ibid.

[7] Jon E. Hilsenrath and Rebecca Buckman, “Factory Employment is Falling World-Wide,” Wall Street Journal, October 20, 2003, p. A2.

[8] Jeff Madrick, “Questioning Free Trade Mathematics,” Economic Scene, New York Times, March 18, 2004, available at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/18/business/18scene.html. Michael W. Klein, Scott Schuh, and Robert K. Triest, Job Creation, Job Destruction,and International Competition, Upjohn Institute, 2003, Introductory chapter available at Publications on job loss and international competition from W.E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research.

[9] Editorial, “Steeling Our Wealth,” The Wall Street Journal, September 23, 2003, p. A24; and Editorial, “Steel Trapped Minds,” The Wall Street Journal, February 19, 2002, p. A26.
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Part of the problem as I see it is that the college grads want to come into the workforce as mid-to-upper manangement and make salaries equal to or exceeding those of people who have 20 or more years of experience.

When they aren't offered these positions, they conclude that they can't find a job and then start bitching about outsourcing.

If they'd start with the entry-level jobs and work their way up, they'd find employment.
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I have a question relating to this, if you have a student loan that exceeds 7 years......will it stick with you? I know it must seem like an uneducated question.
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I have a question relating to this, if you have a student loan that exceeds 7 years......will it stick with you? I know it must seem like an uneducated question.
See post #2 above for the reporting period. As for liability, if it was a government backed loan, you will need to make arrangements to pay it off. It will not go away.
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