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Old 09-29-2007, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ways to get a collection removed?

Hello, I need advice. My husband has had a great credit history until a medical bill, we found out our insurance would not pay for, was sent to collections. Basically the hospital wanted about $100 a month to pay it off and when I called to tell them we couldn't afford that, they told me the lowest they could go was $65. So I tried to pay that amount monthly but of course unexpected circumstances- my husband was laid off, but I still managed to send them at least $20 a month. I thought that would keep it from going to collections but it didnt. It was assigned to a collection agency 1 year ago- 9/2006. I then paid what I could, when I could, and just this week I was able to pay a large chunk and pay it off. What I now realize is that I should have tried negotiating with them to remove it from the credit report before I paid, but I didnt think of it. I got a copy of his credit report today and realized that this 1 negative (the only one) lowered his score alot. I called the collector and tried to get him to remove it from the report since I had just paid it off but he was a real butthole about it and told me basically "no way".
Please I need advise on possible strategies to get it off the report since we will be relocating and will need to apply for a mortgage in a few months. I've read that we could open a dispute with the credit bureaus to get verification & then again for method of verification if they do verify. Do you think this may be the only way? When I paid the amount they told me it would be reported on the 11th of October as "paid" to the credit bureau. Should we dispute now or wait until after they report it?
Another question, if we were to dispute, would it then not show on the report until the dispute is determined, or will it show during the dispute?
Any advice would be appreciated!
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Old 09-29-2007, 04:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome to the forum, to answer some of your questions. If the account is disputed, it will stay on the credit file while the credit bureau conducts its investigation.

You can dispute the trade line, however since it is a fresh account, chances are the CA will confirm the information.
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Old 09-29-2007, 07:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What state are you in now.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Unfortunately a paid off collection lowers your score almost as much as an unpaid one.

I hate to see medical bills end up on credit reports....absolutely hate it.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I am in Michigan. It is quite sickening that we paid and will still have this as a big fat negative in the report. I am going to try the dispute anyway, prob right after they report it as paid and hope they dont want to bother with verifying since they got their money. I know its prob a long shot but I dont want to give up without trying.
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Old 09-29-2007, 10:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Look at your reports, did the CA pull a copy of your report?
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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No, I don't see them in the inquiries.
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Is the hospital reporting along with the collection agency, or just the collection agency?

Is it reporting correctly? Shows $0 balance?
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Its only the collection agency on there. They havent updated it yet to show $0 balance, they told me it would be reported as paid by the 11th of October.
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Actually you are in a good position since this is the only negative on your husbands report.

I don't think that a credit reporting agency can lawfully generate a report with medical information on it nor can
a creditor use medical information in the determination of eligibility for credit.

Here is my argument:

Read this decision posted by Roybean. Pay very close attention to the Courts' reasoning. Read carefully pages(s) 12954-12958.

Section 604(g) of the FCRA states:

(g) Protection of Medical Information

(1) Limitation on consumer reporting agencies. A consumer reporting agency shall not
furnish for employment purposes, or in connection with a credit or insurance
transaction, a consumer report that contains medical information (other than
medical contact information treated in the manner required under section
605(a)(6)) about a consumer, unless--

(A) if furnished in connection with an insurance transaction, the consumer
affirmatively consents to the furnishing of the report;

(B) if furnished for employment purposes or in connection with a credit
transaction--

(i) the information to be furnished is relevant to process or effect the
employment or credit transaction; and

(ii) the consumer provides specific written consent for the furnishing of the
report that describes in clear and conspicuous language the use for
which the information will be furnished; or

(C) the information to be furnished pertains solely to transactions, accounts, or
balances relating to debts arising from the receipt of medical services,
products, or devises, where such information, other than account status or
amounts, is restricted or reported using codes that do not identify, or do
not provide information sufficient to infer, the specific provider or the
nature of such services, products, or devices, as provided in section
605(a)(6).

(2) Limitation on creditors. Except as permitted pursuant to paragraph (3)(C) or regulations
prescribed under paragraph (5)(A), a creditor shall not obtain or use medical
information (other than medical contact information treated in the manner
required under section 605(a)(6)) pertaining to a consumer in connection with any
determination of the consumer's eligibility, or continued eligibility, for credit.

The term "credit transaction" is defined as: "the right granted by a creditor to a debtor to defer payment of debt or to incur debts and defer its payment or to purchase property or services and defer payment therefor."

A mortgage would fall under the term "credit transaction". In order for a credit reporting agency to have the lawful right to generate
a credit report that would show a medical collection account, the CRA would have to comply with 604(g).

We know that you are not going to consent under 604(g)(1)(A). 604(g)(1)(B) can be a little troubling, especially the "or" in (ii) as it applies to (C).
But look at 604(g)(2). A creditor cannot use the information.

It might be worth your time to run this by a consumer attorney in your area.
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Medical debts are not credit accounts except in very rare cases, and only if certain specific conditions are met. It looks like you have a very good idea there Enigma.
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The collection agency did not pull a report, is that what you are trying to point out in the court case? They only reported as a collection.
Actually I was just looking at that same section of the FCRA on the ftc website. I am wondering if this information that I am seeing in the Equifax report is showing to anyone who pulls it. It does show the hospital name.
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The collection agency did not pull a report, is that what you are trying to point out in the court case? They only reported as a collection.
Actually I was just looking at that same section of the FCRA on the ftc website. I am wondering if this information that I am seeing in the Equifax report is showing to anyone who pulls it. It does show the hospital name.
What I am saying is that a CRA cannot generate a consumer report that contains medical data and if they do, a creditor cannot use that information against you.
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Im sorry I must have got lost reading that court case.
I am not sure how to go about this now. I think that the low credit score generated by the collection will mess us up with any creditor. It would be nice if they could ignore it but I dont think they would. That is why I was trying to figure a way to get it off there.
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Im sorry I must have got lost reading that court case.
I am not sure how to go about this now. I think that the low credit score generated by the collection will mess us up with any creditor. It would be nice if they could ignore it but I dont think they would. That is why I was trying to figure a way to get it off there.
Since this is the only negative on the report, you could apply for credit and see what happens.

If you are denied, then you know it is related to the medical account. You would then have a cause of action against the CRA and the creditor.

But I would first run it by a consumer attorney in your area.
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Does MI require collection agencies to be licensed/registered?

If so, is this one licensed/registered?

Do you request validation or verification of the debt? If not, it is never too late.

Did you go through the appeals process with your insurer?

Does MI require a CA to give notice of assignment? How does UCC Chapter 9 play in MI?
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