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Old 12-11-2007, 01:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I got the following two articles, one 12-10 and the other today. Both are nice indications that maybe the bottom has been hit, in both the housing industry and the residential lending industry.

There were some very negative comments in the article, but in my experience-there is always negative in these type articles at this point in downturns becoming upturns.

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December 10 2007: 3:34 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- More trouble looms for the nation's battered housing market next year, even as the pace of home sales inched up in October from the depths of this summer's mortgage meltdown, according to data released Monday by an industry trade group.

The National Association of Realtors reported that its Pending Home Sale Index, which charts the pace of sales contracts ahead of their closing, rose to 87.2 in October from a revised reading of 86.7 in September.
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"Things aren't getting much worse, but they're not getting much better either," said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst for independent research firm Weiss Research. "And keep in mind that unlike in the past, more of these pending sales won't actually close as buyers have trouble finalizing financing. I think it's going to be a muddle-through market for a while here."

The gain in the index for October was limited to homes in the western and northeastern United States. The sales index in the Northeast rebounded to an 80.6 reading in October after plummeting to 69.5 the month earlier.

The South and Midwest posted declines in October. The reading in the South, the region that sees nearly half of all home sales, saw a 7.8 percent decline on that basis and is still below the August number.

In August, when problems in the market for mortgage-backed securities caused many lenders to slam the brakes on home loans, the pending home sales index hit a record low of 85.5.

Lawrence Yun, the group's chief economist, said the data suggest that the worst of the problems are working their way through the market.

"The unusual mortgage disruptions that peaked in August were clearly seen in lower home sales that were finalized in September and October, so the market was under performing," Yun said in a statement. "Now that mortgage conditions have improved, some postponed activity should turn up in existing-home sales over the next couple of months, and I expect sales at fairly stable to slightly higher levels."







12-11-07 from the banking part of CountryWide's residential lending.
What happened in the month of November?

A wave of third quarter corporate earnings created a roller coaster in the market place with great news one day and bad news the next. Prices of gold and oil continued to climb to record levels. The Federal Reserve cut its benchmark rate by 25 bps to 4.5 percent on October 31. In a statement, the Fed indicated that they were reluctant to lower borrowing costs further. After this action by the Fed, however, the upside risks to inflation roughly balanced the downside risk to growth. The market had expected continued easing throughout the remainder of the year and as a result of this statement, the market sold off significantly. As more economic news released and signs of a better and more stabilized economy presented itself, mortgages continued to trade better each day and slowly we saw liquidity return to the market place. Still today, full documentation is very liquid and trading at great levels, while reduced documentation trades at a discount with less liquidity. There is both good and bad news embedded in this summary. Given that the most important market characteristics for our business is improved liquidity and low interest rates, we can assess that the mortgage market is getting better. Albeit, primarily because it is not getting worse.
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I am not so sure we are there yet, they probably would like us to believe that, wamu has taken a beating in the stock market as well as many other banks. I think the real numbers will not be seen until the first and second quarter of next year.
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If they extend the intro rates, they'll rebound now. The situation will repeat itself in another 3-5 years (or however long they extend the intro rate).
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Loan doctor...Are there any loans with equity but very poor fico scores..Refi would pay off all neg's and be less than pmts are now...First & second into one loan..paying off negs..neg's are charged off cc debt....Fico will come up wo negs..long term residence.
How close to appraised value will they go?
Yes this senario is why we are in melt down today...lol
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Old 12-25-2007, 01:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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If you will give me more information, I can give you some info that will be more meaningful, but in general here is some info:

The first thing I would try is FHA. When the sub-prime programs died, I started to learn the FannieMae/Freddie Mac programs that would help people like your self, but with fixed rates. For whatever reason, those have gone away, and now there is FHA. I have learned that even though there are "guidelines", there are no actual fixed rules. Like to a degree credit scores don't matter, but credit history matters. The reason I say "to a degree" is that even though you can get an FHA loan approved for their system, you still have to find an investor that will buy the loan.

Both Equity and assets do matter, the more of both the more likelihood there is that Debt to Income problems can be eliminated. I have gotten approvals as high as 48%.
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Then, depending on if you get denied for those programs, the next thing to try is FannieMae/Freddie Mac type programs. They are very similar, but Freddie Mac is easier to get an approval if your assets/equity in your home aren't high enough.

Rates are a bit higher with those programs, but they have less in closing costs than FHA loans. If the CC debt is old and less than 5K, you may not be forced into paying those off.

So, yes, probably you can get out of your problem-and be in a fixed rate.
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Remember, once you have gotten your refinance, if you have decided to pay off your CC's, for 6 months to a year your scores will go down. This is because you are taking bad/negagive tradelines with old DLA (Date of last activity) and now they will be bad tradelines with recent DLA. Time heals all as far as credit scores go, a 4 year old bad tradeline that has not been paid off will count more against you than one that has been paid off.
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The general idea behind credit scores is that they are the estimation of the bureaus for the following:
What is the chance that this person will have a 90 day late in the next 24 months. That is all it means. So, if you have never been late-and you have a long history of credit, you will have a high score. If you are the same type bill payer, but short credit history, you will have a lower score. If you currently are late on your bills you will have a really low score. If you were late 4 years ago (my situation) your scores will be going up every month.
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Hope that helps. I would be glad to give you more information if you will provide the following information:

What is the approx value of your home and how much would the total new loan be for (that way I would know what your LTV (Loan to Value) is) Very important.

What assets do you have? 401K, money in the bank, etc.

You say that you have low FICO scores. What are they? Where did you get them? It matters where you got them because the more relevant scores are obtained from a mortgage person, second best from "MyFico", then the ones you get from the internet. Those are sort of going to be informative because you have owned your own home, but not as helpful as if you got them from the first of two sources.
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From my personal experience it sounds like you are close to the bottom of your difficult times and things will just get better from here on out.

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Loan doctor...Are there any loans with equity but very poor fico scores..Refi would pay off all neg's and be less than pmts are now...First & second into one loan..paying off negs..neg's are charged off cc debt....Fico will come up wo negs..long term residence.
How close to appraised value will they go?
Yes this senario is why we are in melt down today...lol
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